Crop circle denial

Yo Dees!

Wow. I’m flabbergasted. I stumbled upon this website which is a “participation platform for alternative time consciousness”. It’s called The Order of Time, do you know it? They posted an article on Crop Circles and the Key to the World Order. This article is full of conspiracy theory views on man-made crop circles (their reaction to the circlemakers website: “Apparently this is an action of legally covering it up”) and the author seems convinced of the fact that crop circles are made by an intelligence that tries to communicate with us (“The conclusion is that some intelligence is writing messages in symbol circle code to us on the face of mother earth and we are baffled.”).

The article is mostly about what the intelligence is trying to communicate with us and what we should answer them (“we, from our own selfrespect of conscious control, owe them an answer.”). The author finally comes to the conclusion (I could not really follow the analysis and interpretation) that the meaning of the crop circles is related to time (“From the above as well as from many other religious, philosophical and political options we have to depart from a threefold division of time representing the relationship of our earthly management of time and organic life.”). So Dees, maybe you can connect this to Maya calendars!!

The author ends with designing an answer we could give to the genuine crop circle makers, which is supposed to represent our own complexity of time consciousness. I couldn’t really understand how the explanation of crop circles resulted in this design, maybe you can make something out of it….

I really wonder what you think of this article. You can probably guess my opion…

Cheers, Karin

 

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Entertainment

Hey Dees,

Well, that was fun! I just watched the Terzake show and thought it was quite cool. I tried keeping some notes, let’s see if I can decypher my scribbles. For my own comfort I’ll just list my observations:

• Two new terms: agroglyph, another word for crop circles (which seems to be a mostly French term, I learned from a Google search), and the more than fantastic name Cereal Killer :-D.
• People dressed in Napoleon style are by no means credible. Never.
• The thought that crop circles are negatives of the thoughts of people living in a fifth or sixth dimension (I was very curious about your reaction to this Dees!!).
• Crop circles mostly appear near historic monuments. I was thinking, if I wanted ‘facilitate’ the creation of urban myths around something I had made, I would definitely choose such spots on purpose too.
• Crop circles are visited by over 5000 people. There must be a business model to that!
• Just a quote: “Amongst experts, this circle is described as “real”.”. I liked the subtle skeptic tone here…
• I noticed that the Wallonian researcher who took some stalks for further analyses in the lab only took them from within the crop circle, not from outside. So no control sample. They did not find anything out of the ordinary, but I think they should have compared the sample from the circle to a true control sample anyway. Maybe they did not show this in the video, I don’t know.
• Apparently, many of the videos showing balls of light creating a crop circle are hoaxes. I thought so.
• Another really nice quote (I’d like to refer back to my business model note): “Crop circles are big business in new age circles.”.
• OK. Janet Ossebaard. Even you did not really appreciate the arguments she discusses in her book to ‘prove’ that crop circles are not man made, did you? She totally did not convince me. I am just repeating her here: “You ask such difficult questions!”. Really. I did like the fact that the reporter thought of her ideas as an ‘ambitious hypothesis”.
• Should we attend the annual Crop Circle symposium in Glastonbury? Bookings can be made from February onwards. I might want to spend some money on that! Entertainment guaranteed I guess. Going just one day isn’t that expensive, 40 Pounds.
• Then we had firm believer and conspiracy theorist Andy Thomas (a quick search led me to this website). He claimed that crop circles are not explicable in normal terms. I am completely not convinced of that! So far, the explanations that I have seen for the creation of crop circles by humans is quite convincing. Do you think he would even take the evidence disproving his theories seriously?
• John Lundberg, the guy behind circlemakers.org mentioned a movie he was making about crop circles with some Japanese people. Note to self: check this out!! I also loved Lundbergs customer list, including Microsoft, Nike, the BBC…
• Some things that were frequently said about creating a crop circle: “it is simple”, “it is quick”, “he just makes crop circles for fun”.
• I really liked the interview with crop circle maker ‘Cereal Killer’. Especially the part about why he never exposed himself as the maker of some famous crop circles (because then myths and urban legends rise, people try to explain what happend, which is quite fun. Also, when everyone would know a crop circle was man made, the crop circle itself (which very often is a beautiful piece of landscape art) would get far less attention. It probably all boils down to acknowledgement. In an anonymous way.) This guy was quite concerned about the take up of crop circles by sects and religious groups though, which might also be an interesting issue to explore further (another note to self).
• Apparently, making a crop circle isn’t that difficult, as long as you prepare it well and make sure your planning and organisation are in order. I can do that! I think.
• Do you think someone ever made a calculation of the loss of income for farmers because of crop circles?

It is time I started doing some real research myself again, but ah, time…. You know the feeling! I’ll try to remember I ask for Eise’s library card next time I see him (I’m more of a single girl these days!!). Buying crop circle books is just one step too far for me… :-S

Cheers!

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Persuasion?

Hi Dees!

Just a short message from a rather long meeting in Madrid… Glad you liked my crop circle post card! I found it at the airport and I really had to send it to you! What I enjoyed most about it, is that the crop circle was commissioned by Wakker Dier, so it’s a crop circle for a good cause!!

I must admit, I was a bit surprised by your post! Of course I am happy to read that you also find the skeptics’ reviews plausible, but I didn’t expect you to be convinced this soon! Interesting development… I am still curious to read convincing spiritual accounts of crop circles as well, so let me know if you find any! I hope that I have time to pick up Haselhoff’s book in the library this weekend (they do have it, according to their catalogue). Also, I am planning to dive into English literature on crop circles, there should be more information available, shedding light on both sides of the story.

Another thing I’d like to do is to find the tv broadcast about the Dutch guys making a crop circle in Flanders. For sure I would like to see how they fooled Belgian croppies, but I am even more interested to see how they made the crop circle!

I like what you say about the experience of creating a crop circle. I could do some user experience research into making crop circles (should try to find funding for that 😉 )! Perhaps making a crop circle does give some people a spiritual (or other kind of nice) experience, perhaps it is even an addictive experience! Which I think also relates to your question of we do not know the exact amount of crop circles that are man-made. I wouldn’t be surprised if some corp circle makers get pleasure from the fact that they are able to fool croppies into believing that some crop circles are not man-made… Also, an explanation might be that if people make crop circles for their own, personal (spiritual) experience, why would they want to make that public? They might be sued by angry farmers, for destroying part of their crop…

Family traditions of making crop circles, that’s a nice idea! It’s like Scottish (kilt) tartan patterns! Maybe someone did research into crop circle patterns…

Wow, still plenty to think about and to find more information about…

One final note… In my search for pictures of beautiful crop circles, I found this crop circle table… Weird thing! Can’t find more info on it, but I’m quite curious about its purpose. Maybe a practice tool for crop circle makers?

Adios!

Karin

P.S. You are right, all crop circles are real, good thinking!

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Commonsense spirituality

Bonjour Karin,

You did a great job there during your lunchbreak… wauw, I should implement this kind of lunchbreaks in my life too! 

I just read the articles from skepp and skepsis and must say that I really liked the down-to-earth approach and humorous style… and ofcourse their arguments are very straight forward. At this moment I have serious doubts about the extraterrestrial origins of crop circles. Not much left of the croppie I could have been…  My common sense is catching up with my spiritual notion here, or maybe I should opt for a ‘commonsense spirituality’, that sound better to me.

Still I find it hard to believe that these highly complex and beautiful crop circles are made by people!

The teamwork and creativity that is needed and also the satisfaction after succeeding must generate a high vibrational energy, or flow, that makes the creation of a cropcircle a spiritual exercise in it self. So Karin, that would be a nice spiritual exercise for you (while I am doing my yogapractice in another circle) 🙂

What comes clear to me is that we are lightbeings ourselves… there might be no higher intelligence who will give us hidden messages in the crop to reach enlightment or something like that. We ourselves ARE capable of doing things that we think of as extraordinary, unique or cosmic. At last we live on this earth as a part of this galaxy, as a part of this universe, as unique beings. And the wisdom we need is inside of everyone of us, just open up!

the cropcircle makers (whatever species they are) give us a great example of something extraordinary we can achieve, they inspire… at least they inspire us to have this nice research en discussion!

Yess, back to business. I was at the library and found the book of Janet Ossebaard and some other. Started to read during my traintrip to Breda this wednesday but fell asleep, not much of a good job here…  I will get back to you on that later. For now there’s one question which is bothering me, about the ‘real’ and ‘fake’ circles (in my opnion all of them are real because they are laying there), when most of them are handmade, why do we not know the exact amount that is made by humans? That could be verifyed, don’t you think?

Have a nice stay in Madrid! Talk to you soon!

Dees

Ps. Our friend Bauke thought there might be a tradition of circlemaking in certain families… isn’t that a nice idea?

 

 

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First browsing

Hidy ho Dees!

That was fun, our first action to browse for information about crop circles and sightseeing trips! I was especially charmed by the Hello Kitty crop circle we found on the Circlemakers website :-). Also, what struck me was that even crop circle believers (no offence!) clearly admit that 80 to 90% of crop circles are made by humans. The problem for me is that these people seem to automatically assume that the remaining crop circles have other origins than humans. I’d like to assume that of the remaining crop circles, we cannot know for sure that they were made by humans. But we can also not know for sure that they were not made by humans… I wonder whether there are any crop circles that are certainly not made by humans, I think we can never say for sure that no humans were involved in makin them. How would we ever know that?! I do agree with the crop circle believers however, that the 10 – 20% of the crop circles that were not accounted for by human creators are the most interesting circles to focus on!

I’ve also been thinking about the YouTube video we watched including a recording of a couple of lights that seem to be making a crop circle. One thing that was explained in the video is that most recordings of crop circle creations by entities of light show the strange phenomenon that the lights do not follow the laws of perspective, they do not become smaller when farther away or larger when closer to the observer/camera. I cannot help but thinking that this might be just a suggestion of poor video editing skills…. I have to say that most of the eyewitness stories don’t seem very convincing. I think I would be able to write a fictitions eyewitness report that is more convincing than the ones I have been reading so far!

But, I have to be fair here, this was the first time I seriously read some websites about crop circles, so I really need to dive deeper into all perspectives on the matter to form a solid opinion. I really think we should be saving up to make that helicopter ride to see the crop circles from above, there are some truly spectacular examples I’d really like to see. I think I am going to save all of the pictures of really beatiful circles and post my favourite one each time I write on this blog!

Talk to you soon!
Cheers, Karin

P.S. I was thinking, maybe we should organise a bi-weekly tea-party to brainstorm about our trip and our findings, what do you think?

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